؟ ([personal profile] dramatispersonae) wrote2011-06-28 07:14 pm

[ Game 45 ] Iolite

[ You find yourselves inside of an empty great hall. Torches and candles light the hall, showing the remains of a feast scattered on the tables that run the length of the room. ]

((OOC: This is entirely at your own pace! Ping me in IRC when your team is ready to move on to the next round.))
shipwithwings: laying in a pavilion, facing away. (Desperate Housewives)

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[personal profile] shipwithwings 2011-06-29 01:19 am (UTC)(link)
As to that, I would hurt someone on another team before I chose to hurt someone of Iolite or one of my other friends.
sticksofthejedi: (dubious)

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[personal profile] sticksofthejedi 2011-06-29 01:22 am (UTC)(link)
And the ends only justify the means in a harmless competition.

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[personal profile] uroboric 2011-06-29 01:25 am (UTC)(link)
Well, that's nice and all, but I'm thinking we're supposed to come up with something a little more concrete. You know, like killing or no killing, hurting and how badly, that kind of thing.
shipwithwings: Temeraire with head raised "π²!" vs. Perscitia with puffed cheeks "π³!" [lecturing/disapproving/unimpressed] (Beverly Hills 90210)

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[personal profile] shipwithwings 2011-06-29 01:28 am (UTC)(link)
I will not kill except in defense, nor will I maim. These are only games, they are not wars or battles.
sticksofthejedi: (armcross)

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[personal profile] sticksofthejedi 2011-06-29 01:31 am (UTC)(link)
Saying that the ends justify the means only in harmless competition is concrete. It says we won't kill or hurt people who aren't on Iolite unless we must.

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[personal profile] uroboric 2011-06-29 01:33 am (UTC)(link)
That's not clear at all. If you're trying to reference some personal honor code, you'd better realize that not everyone shares it.
shipwithwings: excited Iskierka demanding "egg!" from frowning Temeraire. [dubious/disapproving/UNSURE] (Generations)

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[personal profile] shipwithwings 2011-06-29 01:36 am (UTC)(link)
[scratches his forehead with a talon, thinking]

That is a fair point, every person will have their own ideas of what is necessary and what is harmless.
sticksofthejedi: (dubious)

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[personal profile] sticksofthejedi 2011-06-29 01:37 am (UTC)(link)
It's not "some personal honor code" that excludes you. Unless you want to go hurt and kill people when you don't have to.

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[personal profile] uroboric 2011-06-29 01:40 am (UTC)(link)
My point is that it does exclude me. It excludes everyone who isn't you. Everyone is gonna have their own ideas of when it's right to use force and what can never be done.

I'm saying you should say clear things like "I won't kill" and "I won't maim" instead of making obscure references. That's not so hard, is it?
shipwithwings: curled end of his tail (As the World Turns)

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[personal profile] shipwithwings 2011-06-29 01:44 am (UTC)(link)
Sticks, consider this, to have a more precise answer: You say that you would choose the option that is the least harmful, but to you is that a quick death or a severe injury, as was in the game with the glass box? We have both of us answered that question differently, but both of us thought we chose the least harmful.
Edited 2011-06-29 01:44 (UTC)
sticksofthejedi: (Default)

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[personal profile] sticksofthejedi 2011-06-29 01:50 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not making obscure references. How is "when you don't have to" obscure? Spast, I'd say it's a better answer than some iron-clad "I'll never kill," or "I'll never hurt someone," because you can't make that promise.

The least harm and the least suffering is the same thing. In a place where the Persona are going to bring you back to life, a painless death is better than a severe injury.
shipwithwings: neck arched and looking downwards with teeth bared. [threatening] (The Edge of Night)

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[personal profile] shipwithwings 2011-06-29 01:53 am (UTC)(link)
Did you not hear? In the Lion's last game, no-one was healed or revived until another Persona intervened and did it herself. That was only a game of knights, a small group— she will not be able to do the same for heroes. Do not rely upon revival.
Edited 2011-06-29 01:53 (UTC)

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[personal profile] uroboric 2011-06-29 01:54 am (UTC)(link)
...Tch. Arrogant and stupid. She really believes her opinion is always the right answer, and everyone who disagrees is wrong. "Discussing" with her is a waste of time.
sticksofthejedi: (Default)

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[personal profile] sticksofthejedi 2011-06-29 01:56 am (UTC)(link)
So we quest for revival beads.

Before you go saying I think I'm the only one with the right answer, you might try suggesting a different answer. All you've done is criticize.

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[personal profile] uroboric 2011-06-29 01:57 am (UTC)(link)
. . .

I already did. What the hell is wrong with you?
sticksofthejedi: (armcross)

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[personal profile] sticksofthejedi 2011-06-29 01:59 am (UTC)(link)
No, you didn't. You said we should clearly say whether or not we would hurt or kill someone. You didn't say what your answer would be.

So before you go calling me arrogant and saying I won't listen, answer. Would you hurt someone to win? Would you kill someone?

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[personal profile] uroboric 2011-06-29 02:00 am (UTC)(link)
The whole point of it was that I don't know what the hell your answer is. It's got nothing to do with mine. I said "be clear and specific", not "agree with me because I'm right". Weren't you even paying attention?
sticksofthejedi: (Default)

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[personal profile] sticksofthejedi 2011-06-29 02:01 am (UTC)(link)
That's still not an answer.

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[personal profile] uroboric 2011-06-29 02:03 am (UTC)(link)
I just said that's got nothing to do with what we were talking about. You're seriously pissing me off, trash.
sticksofthejedi: (Solo family grin)

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[personal profile] sticksofthejedi 2011-06-29 02:05 am (UTC)(link)
Good. Maybe you'll stop holding back and actually answer the question.

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[personal profile] uroboric 2011-06-29 02:08 am (UTC)(link)
...Fuck you.
sticksofthejedi: (attentive)

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[personal profile] sticksofthejedi 2011-06-29 02:09 am (UTC)(link)
You wanted me to listen, didn't you? I'm listening. How far would you go to win a game?

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[personal profile] uroboric 2011-06-29 02:13 am (UTC)(link)
Oi, Obsidian, you deal with her, 'cause I sure as hell ain't feeding her smug arrogance. She's bad enough already.
shipwithwings: curled end of his tail (As the World Turns)

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[personal profile] shipwithwings 2011-06-29 02:16 am (UTC)(link)
[THWUMPS his tail down on the ground, rattling the plates left on the tables]

If we are not going to reach a compromise and full consensus, then we should at the least establish a majority to the questions so that we may answer and continue.

Have any of you have objections to that? State your answers plainly to the questions posed by the scroll or agree with another's, and it is from those that we will take Iolite's answer.

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[personal profile] sticksofthejedi 2011-06-29 02:16 am (UTC)(link)
So now asking your opinion is arrogant, too. I suppose treating you like anything but a child is pointless after all.

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