؟ ([personal profile] dramatispersonae) wrote2012-08-04 02:21 pm

turquoise

You find yourself in a beautiful red room, the edges of each wall adorned with real gold accents. At the center of the room is a long table, several chairs on either side of it, perfect for very serious conferences. In the middle of the table is a plate of strawberry jam tarts atop it, one per teammate present.

In the corner of the room is a hole in the ground, only large enough for a small animal to fit through. Next to it is a flat iron bar, curled at its tip, where a golden bell has been hung from it.

Finally, on one wall is a large poster which reads (or you find read aloud to you, if you cannot read):

The Lion and the Unicorn
Were fighting for the Crown
The Lion beat the Unicorn
All around the town.

Some gave them white bread,
And Some gave them brown;
Some gave them plum cake
and drummed them out of town.
oneknightstands: (But now...it is time for waffles)

Re: first case

[personal profile] oneknightstands 2012-08-04 10:38 pm (UTC)(link)
I can't abide by a system of justice that seeks such a harsh punishment for actions taken in defense of one's family.

If we truly are to determine what is just in this situation I feel that it would be to return the Crown to the Lioness without injury to either the Crown or the Unicorn and to seek to understand what drove the Unicorn to take such actions so that they might be prevented in the future. If the Unicorn proves to be unrepentant in his actions then punishment may be arbitrated by a neutral third party.

That failing, I would not wish to see the Lioness murdered for her actions, but I cannot say that I would consider them just.
intheblueblazes: (Wow. I see you're our Kanda.)

Re: first case

[personal profile] intheblueblazes 2012-08-04 10:48 pm (UTC)(link)
... Wow. Only child I see.

Look, dude, you totally skipped over the part where if this is all we know about the story, it's weird that the Lion's in trouble. You just went with it. I mean, you're going into crazy detail over how Lion's actions are terrible without even talking about Unicorn's, isn't that weird? And you're making up all these possibilities for Lion but you're not doing it for Unicorn. Maybe Unicorn is some psycho murderer. You want Lion to wait around then?
oneknightstands: (pic#3288253)

Re: first case

[personal profile] oneknightstands 2012-08-04 10:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Do you believe that simply because the Unicorn is a criminal he should be denied the right to a fair trial? We have hardly enough information upon either the Lioness or the Unicorn both. For all we know the Crown could have incited the actions of both parties in a plot to see the Unicorn beaten, the Lioness killed, and herself freed from both of their restrictions.

Yet regardless of how these actions were motivated or what the nature of the participants is, I do not see execution as a just punishment for the Lioness' actions but I will not recognize what the Lioness has done as the correct course of action in any situation.
intheblueblazes: (Don't be a cock.)

Re: first case

[personal profile] intheblueblazes 2012-08-04 11:04 pm (UTC)(link)
... Uhh. I believe that because the Unicorn is a criminal, he should be in trouble and suspected first. Not the people he attacked. That's weird. I mean... all we know about him is "kidnapper," and you're all "they totally blew this out of proportion, maybe it's not even his fault."

What punishment would you even give her? Does it even matter to you why he got put in a coma?
oneknightstands: (Commandant I request sweet loving)

Re: first case

[personal profile] oneknightstands 2012-08-04 11:09 pm (UTC)(link)
I would hear both her case and that of the Unicorn equally in a fair trial. The motivations for her actions are important, but they are no less important than what drove the Unicorn to take her sister.
intheblueblazes: (I fell down the stairs into a door.)

Re: first case

[personal profile] intheblueblazes 2012-08-04 11:15 pm (UTC)(link)
[scrubs at his hair, his tail swishing]

Man... look, I didn't think much about it at first, and I'm not a huge deep thinker... but the only thing we know for fact is "kidnapper." What reasons are gonna be good? It sucks that he got put in a coma, and if he was fine I'd just dump him in jail... if he's, I dunno, a nice misunderstood kidnapper and Crown's some kinda mastermind it's extra shitty.

But I don't get getting pissed off at Lion and just focusing on making sure she gets what she deserves. You're all offended about justice but it sounds more like you got a chip in your arm about it than anything else.
oneknightstands: To being unemployed? In Greenland!? (Do you want me to send you back?)

Re: first case

[personal profile] oneknightstands 2012-08-04 11:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Any and all criminals involved in the act deserve a just punishment determined by a fair trial and a jury of their peers.

The Lioness stands out only in that she sought to seek punishment by her own hands and act outside of the system of law that was in place.
intheblueblazes: (That's stupid. You're stupid.)

Re: first case

[personal profile] intheblueblazes 2012-08-04 11:25 pm (UTC)(link)
You wanna work inside this system of law? This system of law looks pretty shitty. Did you just hear that bullshit answer we got? Your system of law literally juts said they don't give a shit about Crown.
oneknightstands: You'd make a wonderful Dread Pirate Roberts. (Have you ever considered piracy?)

Re: first case

[personal profile] oneknightstands 2012-08-04 11:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Then we should work to change it.
intheblueblazes: (Heeeeeey.)

Re: first case

[personal profile] intheblueblazes 2012-08-04 11:27 pm (UTC)(link)
By punishing her sister?
oneknightstands: If there are we'll all be dead. (Fezzik are there rocks ahead?)

Re: first case

[personal profile] oneknightstands 2012-08-04 11:29 pm (UTC)(link)
By holding a fair court where the voices of all may be heard equally.
intheblueblazes: (WAT.)

Re: first case

[personal profile] intheblueblazes 2012-08-04 11:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Okay, that sounds awesome, and actually logical, except what then?
oneknightstands: I thought it fitting, considering the rocky terrain. (You are using Bonetti's Defense.)

Re: first case

[personal profile] oneknightstands 2012-08-04 11:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Punishment will be decided by the court and meted out against those who stand accused by the powers that stand to enforce the law.

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Re: first case

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Re: first case

[personal profile] screwthatnoise 2012-08-04 10:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Perhaps she was not in a situation where a third party's involvement was an acceptable or accessible.
oneknightstands: (pic#3288259)

Re: first case

[personal profile] oneknightstands 2012-08-04 10:53 pm (UTC)(link)
[pauses for a moment]

We should ask if our host would tell us more of the circumstances that brought about the situation which we are to judge.
screwthatnoise: (pic#2400427)

Re: first case

[personal profile] screwthatnoise 2012-08-04 10:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes... because this situation is very difficult for Echo to judge. There doesn't seem to be any right or wrong answer.
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Re: first case

[personal profile] screwthatnoise 2012-08-04 11:06 pm (UTC)(link)
...a lover made him do it.

Echo is even more uncertain of what to make of this now.
oneknightstands: Or something like that? (Were you burned by acid?)

Re: first case

[personal profile] oneknightstands 2012-08-04 11:09 pm (UTC)(link)
So the choice was not solely his own.
screwthatnoise: (pic#993928)

Re: first case

[personal profile] screwthatnoise 2012-08-04 11:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Correct. He was influenced or made to commit this act by this lover of his.
oneknightstands: (pic#3288246)

Re: first case

[personal profile] oneknightstands 2012-08-04 11:12 pm (UTC)(link)
I imagine the lover has not been brought to trial for their involvement with these actions.

Regardless, I feel we should not execute the Lioness.
screwthatnoise: (pic#1004245)

Re: first case

[personal profile] screwthatnoise 2012-08-04 11:19 pm (UTC)(link)
[looking off to the side]

Well... now Echo wants to know why the Unicorn was made to kidnap the Crown.
oneknightstands: I do not think it means what you think it means (You keep using that word)

Re: first case

[personal profile] oneknightstands 2012-08-04 11:20 pm (UTC)(link)
What was his reason?
screwthatnoise: (pic#921653)

Re: first case

[personal profile] screwthatnoise 2012-08-04 11:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Some, the Unicorn's lover, wanted revenge on the Crown.
oneknightstands: (pic#3288244)

Re: first case

[personal profile] oneknightstands 2012-08-04 11:40 pm (UTC)(link)
And so Some will not stand trial as well?

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